Talk:Chronology

I don't really know what I'm doing. I'm just annoyed that each episode page links you to the previous and following episodes or movies in chronological or broadcast order, but there is no single page showing all the episodes in those orders. Oddboyout 00:03, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I like where this is going so far. Keep up the good work. Radagast83 19:26, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Perhaps though we should adapt it to include Crusade episodes and perhaps even the canon novels and comics? If memory serves several of them run parallel. One small suggestion, maybe "Chronological Order" isn't quite the right title, perhaps simply "Chronology" would suit it better? Blind Wolf 12:51, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed on adding in Crusade and the canon novels and comics. It would be nice to have a complete listing of all B5 universe stories. How should we handle In The Beginning or Deconstruction? "Framing" or add in separate entries for each time period that the acts are set during? "Chronology" may work. Radagast83 19:37, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

That's more or less what I had in mind and I think that's how the dates are already listed on the episode sidebars. I think the same should apply to the 'Shadows of Past and Present' comics as all four issues take place in early season 2 but mostly feature the events back on Syria Planum. The *real* challenge is how to handle the novels as most of the canon ones take place over a fairly long stretch of time. Not so much of a problem with the Psi Corps books as there isn't much else story-wise that runs parallel. 'City of Sorrows', the Centauri and most especially the Techno-mage novels on the other hand weave in and out of certain episodes and movies and at times cover the same events. Perhaps marking them by chapter, or--if the novel skips along a little faster--by page number? Plus of course there's that whole sticky mess that is the sequence of events in the first Centauri novel...I think we'll have to figure out what's the best way to handle that before we include it. Blind Wolf 02:38, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

P.S. It's probably a tad too complicated for our needs, but I rather think this kind of graphical chronology would be ideal and solve any worries of confusion that a bog standard table might present...plus it looks pretty. Mind you, editing the thing looks more than a little scary... Blind Wolf 15:53, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I can add the canon comics, and the separate parts of things with framing stories and Deconstruction, and I can try to date the chapters in City of Sorrows. I try to can add anything else that's not listed yet if it already has a date listed on its own page (assuming those dates are from AT&S). But I'm asking before I procede because I'm not confident I'll get all the dates right (in some cases I might be stuck relying on material from Midwinter, which I know conflicts with AT&S sometimes), so it probably won't be entirely accurate until somebody with more knowledge proofreads my work. If folks think it would still be helpful I can try to do it when I get some time. 2601:441:4680:3230:3D1D:DFD2:81AF:9F60 03:57, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Do you think I didn’t do that for To Dream in the City of Sorrows or the canon comics? And as a matter of fact the first four canon comics ARE dated. As I had already stated in the introduction to the Babylon 5 Historical Database sometimes there wasn’t enough data to make an exact date determination. So as I wrote it, and know what I am talking about, what can you do any different to my authorised work? Terry Jones author of the Babylon 5 Historical DatabaseB5historyman (talk) 13:12, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Why are you so angry at me? I was offering to try to collect dates already present on the wiki and add those items to the table on this page, which is marked with a banner saying it's incomplete and editors should complete it. If that banner is in error it should be removed. I don't need my head bitten off just because I offered to help, or because I'm not already 100% familiar with this wiki. Clearly my contribution is not welcome. 2601:441:4680:3230:3D1D:DFD2:81AF:9F60 14:30, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Who said I was angry? I am simply pointing out facts. Nothing more, nothing less. This is the trouble with on line communication, there is no context to what is written. A conversation in person would be different as you can see body language. Here you can’t and it leads to misinterpretation. And I am quite happy to identify myself and my associated user nameB5historyman (talk) 15:23, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Format

So what is the best format? This is the one I've started with: Episode Name/Production #/Episode (Season##xEpisode##)/Release Date/Story Date (YEAR-MO-DA for easy sorting) Oddboyout 11:04, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think that's fine for now at least, so continue as you are. Obviously the books, comics and the short stories don't have production numbers so just leave it blank or put in "N/A" if it makes things easier. Perhaps I should make up a template with a little graphic icon that clearly marks an entry as a B5 or Crusade episode, a book, a comic, movie, etc. etc.

Something that'd make it look like this perhaps? : -

Episode Name	Production #	Episode	Release Date	Story Date
In the Beginning (Movie)	TNTCF2	N/A	1998-01-04	2248
The Gathering (Movie)	Pilot	N/A	1993-02-22	2257-01-03
Midnight on the Firing Line	103	1x01	1994-01-26	2258-02
Soul Hunter	102	1x02	1994-02-02	2258-03-02
War Zone	108	1x01	1999-06-09	2267-01-01
To Dream in the City of Sorrows (Chapter 1)	N/A	N/A	1997-07	2259-02-11
To Dream in the City of Sorrows (Prologue)	N/A	N/A	1997-07	2260-12-06

On the other hand I suppose we could colour code the rows, like so : -

Episode Name	Production #	Episode	Release Date	Story Date
In the Beginning (Movie)	TNTCF2	N/A	1998-01-04	2248
The Gathering (Movie)	Pilot	N/A	1993-02-22	2257-01-03
Midnight on the Firing Line	103	1x01	1994-01-26	2258-02
Soul Hunter	102	1x02	1994-02-02	2258-03-02
War Zone	108	1x01	1999-06-09	2267-01-01
To Dream in the City of Sorrows (Chapter 1)	N/A	N/A	1997-07	2259-02-11
Grey 17 is Missing	319	3x19	1996-10-07	2260-11-26
To Dream in the City of Sorrows (Prologue)	N/A	N/A	1997-07	2260-12-06

Or does that look too busy? Also note that we might have a problem with B5 and Crusade production codes interfering with one another. Are these the *actual* codes, or just abbreviated ones? On other shows the codes appear to be a little more complicated than just a 3 digit number. Blind Wolf 16:26, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

[EDIT] actually another option springs to mind, would could try using a modified version of the {{Episode list}} template I made for the List of Crusade Episodes article; which already has a little colour bar that could be customised for each entry. Not sure how well it'd interact with the sorting table though, it might need a little experimentation. Thoughts? Blind Wolf 16:31, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Draft for complete Chronology

I just made this. Hope it helps. I am no good at editing in wikis so please feel free to use this anyway u please.

83.183.181.160 15:22, July 30, 2011 (UTC)dencrypt

@1329.se

This is not a advocated way to watch the show if you havn't seen it before. It will spoil some of the suprises by watching it this way and it is not intended so.
However. If you are a chronological freak like me then you will probably find this very pleasing. Some novels, short stories and comics are not carved in stone when it comes to their specific date because some of them does not contain dates at all and has been guessed, somewhat arbitrary, where they might be happening
in the timeline for the B5 universe.

B = Book
M = Movie
S = Short Story
C = Comic

If no prefix. It is an original Episode.

2115
B Dark Genesis: The birth of the Psi Corps

2189
B Deadly Relations: Bester Ascendant

2257
B The Shadow Within
M The Gathering

2258
Season One ("Signs and Portents")

Midnight on the Firing Line
Soul Hunter
Born to the Purple
Infection
The Parliament of Dreams
Mind War
The War Prayer
And The Sky Full Of Stars
Deathwalker
Believers
Survivors
By Any Means Necessary
Signs and Portents
Grail
Eyes
A Voice in the Wilderness part 1
A Voice in the Wilderness part 2
Babylon Squared
B The Passing of the Techno-Mages: Casting Shadows
The Quality of Mercy
TKO
Legacies
Chrysalis

C In Darkness Find me
B The Dream in the city of sorrows

2259
Season Two ("The Coming Of Shadows")

Points of Departure
Revelations
C Treason
C In Harm's Way
C The Price of Peace
B The Passing of the Techno-Mages: Summoning Light
B The Passing of the Techno-Mages: Invoking Darkness
The Geometry of Shadows
C Duet for Human and Narn in C Sharp
C Coda for Human and Narn in B Flat
A Distant Star
B Voices
The Long Dark
A Spider in the Web
A Race Through Dark Places
Soul Mates
C Shadow Past and Present
C The Agains the odds
C Survival The Hard Way
C Silent Enemies
B Blood Oath
The Coming of Shadows
B Accusations
GROPOS
All Alone in the Night
Acts of Sacrifice
Hunter, Prey
There All the Honor Lies
And Now For a Word
Knives
In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum
C The Psi Corps and You
Confessions and Lamentations
Divided Loyalties
B Betrayals
The Long, Twilight Struggle
Comes the Inquisitor
B Clark's Law
The Fall of Night

2260
Season Three ("Point of No Return")

Matters of Honor
Convictions
B The Touch of Your Shadow, The Whisper of Your Name
A Day in the Strife
Passing Through Gethsemane
Voices of Authority
Dust to Dust
Exogenesis
Messages from Earth
Point of No Return
Severed Dreams
Ceremonies of Light and Dark
A Late Delivery From Avalon
Sic Transit Vir
Ship of Tears
Interludes and Examinations
Walkabout
War Without End, Part One
War Without End, Part Two
Grey 17 Is Missing
And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place
Shadow Dancing
Z'ha'dum

2261
Season Four ("No Surrender, No Retreat")

The Hour of the Wolf
Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?
The Summoning
B Personal Agendas
Falling Toward Apotheosis
The Long Night
Into the Fire
C In Valen's Name
C In Valen's Name Part 2
C In Valen's Name Part 3
Epiphanies
The Illusion of Truth
M Thirdspace
Atonement
Racing Mars
Lines of Communication
Conflicts of Interest
Rumors, Bargains and Lies
Moments of Transition
No Surrender, No Retreat
The Exercise of Vital Powers
The Face of the Enemy
Intersections in Real Time
Between the Darkness and the Light
Endgame
Rising Star

2262
Season Five

S Hidden Agendas
No Compromises
The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari
The Paragon of Animals
A View from the Gallery
Learning Curve
Strange Relations
Secrets of the Soul
In the Kingdom of the Blind
A Tragedy of Telepaths
Phoenix Rising
The Ragged Edge
Day of the Dead
The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father
Meditations on the Abyss
Darkness Ascending
And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder
Movements of Fire and Shadow
The Fall of Centauri Prime
S Shadow of His Thoughts
Wheel of Fire
S Genius Loci
Objects in Motion
Objects at Rest

2263
M River of Souls

2265
M The Legend of the Rangers
S The Nautilus Coil

2266
M A Call to Arms

2267
Crusade

Racing the Night
The Needs of Earth
The Memory of War
The Long Road
Visitors from Down the Street
The Well of Forever
Each Night I Dream of Home
Patterns of the Soul
The Path of Sorrows
Ruling from the Tomb
The Rules of the Game
War Zone
Appearances and Other Deceits

B Legions of Fire: The Long Night of Centauri Prime
B Legions of Fire: Armies of Light and Dark

2269
S True Seeker

2271
M The lost tales: Voices in the Dark

2274
B Legions of Fire: Out of Darkness

2278
M In the Beginning

2280
B Final Reckoning: The Fate of Bester

2281
Sleeping in Light

2560
S Space, Time, and the Incurable Romantic

~1 million years into the future
The Deconstruction of Falling Stars

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5
http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html

Hi !

The Deconstruction of Falling Stars should be the ultimate episode of the saga ! the date is 1'002'262 and other dates are the past ! 31.33.149.23 21:07, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Source of exact dates?

I've been wondering for ages now... Many of the individual episode articles give exact dates in their infoboxes, but as best I can tell, not one of them provides a citation for that information. I started rewatching a few days ago and have yet to see any proof in the episodes themselves, and can find no such corresponding information on the episode pages of the Lurker's Guide either. So, aside from a few specific verifiable examples (Chrysalis, for instance), where does this information come from? — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 01:21, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, the dates are from my work The Babylon 5 Historical Database, the first version was printed in the Official Babylon 5 Magazine, then published in Across Time and Space: The Chronologies of Babylon 5. The Database was used in house at Babylonian Productions B5historyman (talk) 06:21, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

• That's...interesting. I'm really confused as to why they would be okay with a series of dates that significantly rearranges the first season. That's not to dispute it, mind—if that's the system that was officially published, and recognised by Babylonian, that's just the way it is. It's just that I find it odd, and was wondering why it's laid out the way it is. — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 02:04, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

It took a lot of hard work to construct, creating calendars for the respective years, organising the stories based on internal continuity, collaborating with Joe Straczynski and Fiona Avery trans atlantic to make sure everything was correct. I fully explain it in the Introduction to the Historical Database in Across Time and Space: The Chronologies of Babylon 5.B5historyman (talk) 07:20, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

• It wasn't meant as a criticism. If anything, I'm grateful that someone(s) put in so much work to lay things out. This is a level of dedication that's seldom seen in other SF franchises. I'll have to see if I can chase down a copy of AT&S! — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 23:29, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Don't worry, I didn't think it was :) Glad you like what we came up with. I must warn you that AT&S has been out of print for a while now and it is increasingly hard to find copies out in the wild. If you do they're usually very expensive. Keep checking b5books.com as occasionally they get sets of scriptbooks back in stock as part of their buyback and AT&S is usually one of the volumes.B5historyman (talk) 07:11, August 12, 2016 (UTC)