The Babylon Project

Hello everyone. This is my talk page.


Hi, I'm impressed and pleased with your volume of contributions. You seem to really get the style and theme of this wiki.

I seem to be the only active admin lately and I can't be around as much as I would like. Would you be interested in becoming an administrator? I could sure use the help. --BoneGnawer 17:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I would absolutely love to help out. I've gone pretty crazy lately with new pages haven't I? Radagast83 22:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Poof! You're an admin. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility, remember to wash behind your ears and eat your vegetables. :) --BoneGnawer 15:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Attribution template[]

I'm going to add in the Wikipedia attribution template. This is so that some of the information that I'm adding to the project will have the proper GFDL permissions. Writing an article completely from scratch can be a painful process so I think that this could expedite some of the work for articles that have yet to be created. They then can be grafted into whatever we see fit. If this is not something that you want to do on this project, please let me know and I'll stop! Radagast83 22:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Your Contributions[]

While its os good to have more articles on the wiki, you should really consider writing them yourself rather than copying them from wikipedia. Thanks Anthil'za 14:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Your being an administrator[]

Hi. I was just wondering what being an administrator means; what your duties are, etc. I've always been curious. Thanks. JemHadar359

That is really a good question. I've been really busy lately, and when I have free time to get on here I haven't really explored what I can do. Basically the short and simple is that I can protect pages and delete pages. At the moment there just isn't a lot of need for one due to the limited size of editing and the number of people involved in the project (except in the rare circumstances like a few weeks ago some spammer was putting medicine links on pages). Radagast83 06:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

SciFi Wiki[]

Hi I'm an admin on the SciFi Wiki and was wondering if you could come help us out over there (we don't have any Babylon 5 articles) (any other scifi info is very welcome). Thanks!!!--UESPA 02:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. I've been very busy over the last few weeks at work so I've not been able to do what I wish I could do even on here. Thanks for the heads up. Radagast83 04:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, it took me awhile to get back here, byt if you can help at all it would be great. Thanls!!!--UESPA 01:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


We've got a spammer here. The IP address is Or just go to recent changes and you'll see his handiwork.

I reverted his edits on Sarah Cantrell, but he created the page Spartans, and I don't have the authority to do much about that.

So can you block him from making edits or something? Thanks. --JemHadar359 23:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

He's made an edit on Sarah Cantrell again... --JemHadar359 23:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I've taken care of him for now. If he does it again (once he's unblocked) - he'll be blocked for an extremely long time. Radagast83 07:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


Hello, I've just created a category for the Minbari warrior clans see Category:Clans. I'd like to make it a subcategory under the Warrior Caste. How would I go about doing that? By grateful for any help. Thank you DarkLantern 11:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey i,ve got a question as well. How would you add a newly created article to the Narn(race) because i,ve just made a Narn ship page and i want to make it accessible at the Narn(race) Page. Thnx and plz answer quickly dskaar


There are two articles now for the same planet... which one is the correct spelling? --JemHadar359 05:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I got an extremely strong case of deja vu when working on that article. It was obviously misspelled and that article name was reflected in the "wanted pages" section. Good eye.Radagast83 15:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Images by episode sequence template[]

I'm trying to make a template for the sequence of episodes on the Images by episode pages. It would be Template:B5 sequence, except for the Images by episode pages. Would you know how to go about this? --JemHadar359 01:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll look into it over the next few days as I'm still recovering from the extended weekend.Radagast83 06:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Skin and Front Page[]

Hi. I'm Wendy, a helper with wikia. You may have noticed that some of the biggest wikis have an extra ad on the main page; they have both a banner and a 300x250px box ad. We need to adapt the front page for this wiki to allow that extra box ad. Your existing front page is already in two-columns so it isn't a big change. I've mocked up a front page here to show you how it would look. If you're ok with it I'll change it over.

Wikia is also switching all of its wikis onto the Monaco skin. This wiki is currently defaulting to Monobook. You'll be able to use monobook for yourself, but the wiki needs to be Monaco. You can either go into your preferences and pick one of the premade monaco skins to set as the default, or if you like the existing grey color scheme, I can work with you to make a custom skin that will be similar. Let me know what you prefer! -- Wendy (talk) 19:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll make a few tweaks and necessary changes and then let you know. Thanks! Radagast83 03:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

EarthForce vs. Earthforce[]

Recently User:Blind Wolf moved EarthForce to Earthforce.

I personally am a supporter of the EarthForce spelling. What's your personal opinion, and what should the official wiki spelling be? --JemHadar359 23:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd go with "EarthForce" - There doesn't appear to be any consistency between the usage online either - some sites have "Earthforce" while others have "EarthForce" while more have "Earth Force." Internal consistency is important, and I'd rather continue with the status quo until such time as being presented with visual evidence to the contrary or something straight from JMS. If it's indeed "Earthforce" someone that believes this is the correct spelling needs to be consistent and scour the ENTIRE wiki fixing each instance of the spelling. Radagast83 07:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I should point out that all the in-show graphics that I have seen so far use the lowercase "Earthforce". I think the most prominent example is in the episode where Franklin resigns in season 3, you get a good look at one of his certificates. That i think should take precedent over how fan-sites spell it.Blind Wolf 15:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
However, page 145 in Dark Genesis - The Birth of the Psi Corps has it presented as "EarthForce." However, I'd rather have it listed here the way it is presented in the show over how it is shown in the books, even though this book is 100% canon. Radagast83 08:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks now my head hurts. Which way are we going in this wiki? Just so we are all clear.Triskaideka 01:48, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
We ended up sticking with "Earthforce," Dark Genesis mention not withstanding. Radagast83 05:27, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


Hi Radagast, I'm Austin, a Helper working with Wikia Entertainment. I saw your edit to the Babylon 5 page on Entertainment, and decided to check the wiki out. One thing the wiki was lacking, though, was welcome templates. As I'm sure you know, welcoming new users is a very important aspect of working on a wiki. I added Template:Welcome and Template:Welcomeanon. If you and the community would like, I can also install the "welcome buttons" here, which makes welcoming users as easy as clicking the button and then clicking save :) You can see them in action here. Thanks for your time!--Austin (Talk) 15:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Radagast83 03:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Triskaideka. I have been using "The Babylon 5 Project" for a few few weeks now. I likely won't be adding much new information. I will mostly be fixing grammar and syntax as I come across them. I only made this account 15 minutes ago so I won't be using any of the bells and whistles since I don't know how--yet. I will be sure to seek advice before making any huge changes once I learn how to. Triskaideka 01:23, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Go for it. Welcome aboard. Radagast83 05:28, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Disagreement with Blind Wolf[]

You are the only consistent Admin around here, so I am directing my concerns towards you. Recently, I have been getting into some disagreements with User:Blind Wolf, I have nothing against him personally and he contributes a lot. I have just started a few months ago mostly focusing on ships and stations. Of course, Characters are next. Yet, he has consistently been changing things on my articles without even informing of whats wrong, or if he does specify, he tells me this isnt a fan fiction wiki or this type of stuff isn't for this wiki. Like the Primus for Primus Class debate, the Mothak'cha isn't an Earth vessel debate, and now he went forward with a list of transports and shuttles. It looks terrible. He or she might as well put all the vessels like that. He or she told me if I dont like how he or she does things, that I should go start another Babylon 5 Wiki but called Non-Canon B5 Wiki ala Memory Beta as to Memory Alpha. I have thought about it, but it is a lot of work for one person, and we here at this one barely can get a lot of contributors. Anyways, I put a lot of hours in compiling the articles with their pics and information. If this keeps on going, then I have no choice but to go elsewhere. I have conceded a lot to him or her, but this one has gone too far. --Farragut79 07:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Earthforce rank insignia[]

I make officers rank insignia (epaulets) for Earth Army, Navy and Security. I wath all series of Babylon 5 and Crusade and all films, and I used all, what I see in them, but in series and films we dont't see all of ranks. Can I upload on this site all of insignas, or only we see in series and films? P.S. Sorry for my english. It is not my country langwich.

Only officially licensed Babylon 5 material should make it on this Wiki. If it didn't appear in an episode, movie, book, comic book, approved sources, or come from JMS' mouth it shouldn't be on here. If you can find some information on these other ranks from any of the places I mentioned, go for it. Thanks for editing. Radagast83 14:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

RPG Data vs. Canon Data[]

I have looked around and can not find a discussion on this ...

Recently Blind Wolf editted my work on the Noble Houses of Centauri, associated to some information found in the Centauri Factbook for the RPG. I am a noob, so this can probably be thrown up to that. But it was my understanding that the RPG by Mongoose was under the sanction of JMS and is considered canon.

What is this sites feelings on the RPG information? The reason being... I use this site for some help in my current B5 RPG campaign...


I'd have to look into it, but I do believe that some feel that the RPG is considered a "valid reference" (so long as they don't contradict what appears in the the more "official" canon material) and others do not feel this way. I wonder if some kind of compromise could be met where the information you're wanting to add could be provided in a separate section at the bottom of the page, either in the form of a "notes" section or "apocrypha" section but not add it to the main body of text. I'll be on vacation until Sunday July 5th, so I can't really help out any further until then. Radagast83 07:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
One thing to consider would be to take the non-contradictory fluff and treat it much like the "Expanded Universe" used in Star Wars. To separate this info from known, firm canon (eg. episodes, movies, JMS-sanctioned addenda, etc.) a notation or marking in the wiki entry for that info could be placed. Instead of re-inventing the wheel and having a separate section/wiki, which takes far more work, a notation would provide a clear sign that the info steps beyond mainstream canon. If/when the additional info gets beyond a certain size (afterall, the amount of published B5 fiction is tiny compared to Star Trek or Star Wars) would a firm separation such as a Memory Beta adaptation make sense. Maephos 09:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Maephos, given the fact that JMS has taken away canon status not because of the quality of material but rather a personal dispute with Mongoose publishing. It must not be that great of a dispute since RPG's Balvarin and Kutai class vessels were put in The Lost Tales during the battles scenes between the Centauri Republic and the Earth Alliance.
As I said elsewhere I'm not against the idea of appropriately tagged "Expanded Universe" or "Apocrypha" style subsections, as it works fine for background information and god knows some of the ship class articles could do with a little padding, however I'm concerned as to how to handle the often contradictory or silly "stats", which we've already gone to some effort to remove. On what basis and criteria do we pick and choose what dose and doesn't warrant inclusion? Even if it's all in a separate subsection, there seams to be several versions from different gaming companies and I'd hate to see the some articles get overrun by this.
As far as JMS's preference for canon goes, whatever the motivation is, in B5 his word is final, so if he says it's out then it's out. From what I've read in the sites of the CG modellers & animators that worked on Lost Tales, the inclusion of those ships were more out of a need to have something - anything - to fill the background and with not time and money to develop original designs, those low detail models were just lifted off the shelf as it were and shoved way way in the background. So I'd hardly call that a ringing endorsement.Blind Wolf 21:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
They were still in the movie.--Farragut79 04:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes and I can tell your grasp of the perfectly obvious is as tight as ever, yet you still managed to miss the point. The presence of two background ships doesn't validate the canonicity of the RPG from which they originate. Blind Wolf 07:38, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Don't be rude. At least I can spell. No matter on how you word it, type it, or whatever, the basic fact is that they are still there. If JMS did not want anything to do with the RPGs, he would not have accepted the inclusion of data from the RPGs to be used. By the way, they were still in the movie. --Farragut79 15:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Look mate, if you insist on turning every single discussion into a childish tit-for-tat then I'm not going to engage in a discussion with you, especially not on Radagast's talk page. Blind Wolf 21:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Quick reply[]

Hi. I'm the guy who was just editing some minor stuff in the Minbari article. There were just a few things that were driving me mad, so I decided to do a few quick edits. If I decide to do any more editing, I will certainly go ahead and create an account. Interesting wiki you have here - just needs some editing, just like most things on the 'net, I suppose, hehe. Thanks!


Hi. Can you add this piece of code to the Mediawiki:Common.css file? I've taken it directly from Common.css. I think this stuff is necessary for running several our templates correctly. Octurion 16:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Let me know if that did it. Thanks! Radagast83 03:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
It seems like it is working correctly now. The two problematic borders in the template are displaying. Octurion 16:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Blind Wolf's Blind Eye[]

I am a new contributor to the Babylon 5 wikia, but having worked for 20 episodes of season one, I am well qualified to know what I contributed to the project. As the prop designer/builder, I spent many hours researching exactly which episodes corresponded to the props I created and citing them exactly. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that my well researched, specific and accurate entries were deleted entirely by Blind Wolf without so much as a reason why. It is certainly not that the information given had any errors. How is it that Blind Wolf can turn a blind eye to the truth and simply erase it? My guess is that Blind Wolf is an insider who has trouble giving credit where credit is due. We all know that B 5 was a great collaboration. I cited two other collaborators whose names have also been erased. What does it profit Blind Wolf to erase the particulars of the contributions of others? I see the area of prop creation to be a missing link in the story telling, one that many fans would much appreciate knowing more about. Is this Babylon 5 wikia a true community or simply a propaganda facade for a few very active contributors I wonder?

I've taken a quick look. Could you try to add in references within the document itself? I agree that the content should probably not have been removed with the speed that it was. I'll restore the content and add a tag noting that there needs to be citations (for the body of text). I'll note on the discussion page my reasoning. So long as the content isn't copyrighted and can be properly sourced, I see no problems with it. Radagast83 07:25, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


Hi. I just stumbled across the Babylon Project and realized it needs help. I offer my assistance as both a well-rounded Wiki editor, and a fan of the series who believes that one of the first series to take advantage of the internet deserves a stronger presence and resource to turn to. :P --Dramaus Katan 03:51, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Radagast83 04:00, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Seconded. We could defiantly use an extra pair of hands! Blind Wolf 05:43, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

hello my name is Necropolis and i am the one that edited the Earth article with the part about the central African bloc being where calvin natawe is from and also i noticed calvin natawe does not have a article here. mr natawe was the character that came up with the idea for starting babylon5 back in the 2240's.some one reverted it back or omited what i put in. Senator Natawe is from Nigeria. isnt Nigeria part of the Central African block? Necropolis20 00:00, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing, could you please provide a source (Episode, book, comic) that this information came from? If there's a source great, add it back and please note where it's from. Thanks! Radagast83 05:37, November 25, 2009 (UTC)


Just wondering if you'd care to weigh in on either of these two topics: Dining on Babylon 5, New Wiki Logo? Blind Wolf 15:40, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Problems with wiki.png[]

Hi. Did you tried to clear your browser cache? The uploaded logo was working correctly for me. Octurion 05:13, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and it's still not correct. If you're seeing the new logo I'll quit my crusade to get it fixed and hope that my computer eventually catches up to the rest of the world. Radagast83 09:00, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
It was working for me too for a while there but now it's back to the old one. I've had similar problems before when I'd upload a more accurate version of one of the logos or insignia. Sometimes it's very odd and shows the new version in the thumbnail but still shows the old one on the main image, sometimes visa-versa. Clearing the cache doesn't help as I think I still even now see the older version of the flight wings when I have a look. Whatever the bug is, it appears to only affect the person that does the uploading. Blind Wolf 11:01, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
It's working for me now. Very frustrating! Radagast83 07:26, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
Cleared the cache again and it's back. Let's see how long it lasts. ;) Blind Wolf 12:43, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
Just adding my two cents - I have been able to see the new logo and I still can. 20:14, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

(edit) This is DragonMage. I didn't notice that I'd gotten logged out.

Please delete a nonsense page[]

I'd like you to delete the page made by Special:Contributions/ it is nothing but gibberish. Thanks, DragonMage 17:07, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Bureaucrat rights[]

Hi Radagast,

I was just stopping by and saw how great this wiki is looking! I noticed that none of the users with bureaucrat rights has been around for a while, so I added the rights to your account. If you need more admins to help, you can now use Special:UserRights to give them the tools.

Also noticed that the Main Page was protected long ago by one of those 'crats, to combat "persistent vandalism". You might want to look over Help:Main page for some reasons why you and the community might consider unprotecting it (and maybe renaming it to "Babylon 5 Wiki"). You might also be interested in Help:Sidebar and lots of other recently updated pages, listed at Help:Index.

Thanks for all your hard work, and I look forward to seeing this wiki continue to grow! — Catherine (talk) 21:27, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Requesting help or a third opinion[]

Hi Radagast, currently I'm involved in some sort of argument with BlindWolf. He keeps merging the Prole Sector article with the Politdivision because "prole sector" is just a term according to him. In my opinion the two sides of a confict (Second Earth Alliance Civil War) its like merging Earth Alliance Resistance with EarthGov. I don't want to engage in some edit war, but I think he's wrong. Besides, shouldn't a merger be voted first?--Gonzalo84 19:40, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I don't want this to be an edit war either, but the proposal has been on this talk page for months with no objections raised and I think I've been quite thorough with my reasoning both on the talk page, in my own in response to your questions and within the notes section of the article in question. Trust me, it makes perfect sense if you've read 1984. As for putting this to a vote, on a wika this relatively inactive with barely a handful of active contributors seams a bit pointless. Blind Wolf 19:50, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
While the other side "Prole Sector" may have been an unofficial name used by "Politdivision" and they may not actually have been called "Prole Sector." I do think that since they were presented as a distinct side in the conflict (Daniel referring it by name and Garibaldi mentioning that he sent the discussion and location to that side), and therefore deserve a page of their own. I've seen no evidence on screen or in any of the books that would lead to the conclusion that the entire page should become a small footnote on a related, but inherently different, article. Radagast83 06:36, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
If that was their name, I might agree. However, if you read the dialogue the only mention of the "prole sector" is in reference to them revering Sheriden, Delenn, et al. According to what's said, Daniel & "Politdivision" are trying to win over "prole sector" with propaganda to validate their new policy and legitimise their planned pre-emptive strike on "the enemy". If Prole Sector was the enemy, why try to sway them if they're going to attack them? It'd make no sense. If you don't believe me that Prole Sector is an Orwellian term for the masses, try googleing it. The kind of clipped grammar Daniel is speaking in can make things a little confusing, but it makes sense if you're familiar with newspeak. Blind Wolf 07:32, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, Daniel is trying to "deconstruct" figures revered by "the enemy" in order to discourage local support to them. Daniel is doing something similar to Dan Randall in The Illusion of Truth.--Gonzalo84 18:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
I've checked the dialogue. Daniel says "desconstruct figured revered by Prole Sector. Therebye legitimizing current government policies". He wants to show the enemy's heroes as villains to gain local legitimacy. Its standard propaganda, show the enemy, or its symbols, as evil so "your people" will believe you're right. In any event, I lean towards "Prole Sector" refers to the "proletariat", low class colonies. And we need an article for each side. At another moment we can discuss a proper name for it, but for now I guess we'll have to settle for "Prole Sector". Too bad that JMS is not a user 'cause he could put this discussion to rest.--Gonzalo84 18:44, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


I just watched "The Paragon of Animals" Season 5 episode 3. The character Byron said that teps do not need to scan to be able to read a persons thoughts. That in fact they have to constantly recite rhymes over and over just to avoid hearing a mundane's every thought.

I can't find this in the article on teps and am unsure of where to insert it. Plus I have no clue how to insert the reference thing. Help and advice is welcome.Triskaideka 05:23, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Blind Wolf 13:28, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Formatting Query[]

Where can I find a set of instructions for footnotes and links? I would like to add them myself but have no clue how.

Also, is there any kind of list for the proper forms of terms used.

As in: All ship names are capitalized and italicized.

All planet names are capitalized.

Just put in terms main terms, not names. I mean ship types, planets, organiztions, events, and races that may confuse.

Does it matter if it says "War Cruiser" or "war cruiser"? "Whitestar" or "White Star" (which is only italicized if it includes a number)? What about "Shadow war" and "Shadow War"?

Is mundane or telepath capitalized? tep? tek? Are those the right spellings?

And is the spelling of words to be British or English? Do we write "color" or "colour"?

And yes this is me being super OCD.

Thanks Triskaideka 00:58, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to answer as many of these as possible when I return from work. Radagast83 14:06, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, let me see if I can answer your questions:
1. To add footnotes, add:
<ref> </ref>
In between the "ref" code, put whatever content which is almost always the source (episode, comic book, novel). At the bottom of the article, there should be a:
2. Proper names (ship names as opposed to ship classes should be entirely capitalized). I occasionally the designation is not italicized while the ship name is. I think we need to be consistent, and I'm pretty flexible. Blind Wolf might have some further input on that.
3. All planet names should be capitalized
4. All instances should be "White Star" and not "Whitestar." Aside from headings or when the word starts at the beginning of a sentence, it should be "war cruiser," unless it's part of a proper noun. I'm trying to remember the proper way of doing things, but since "Shadow War" was an event, I think it should be "Shadow War" instead of "Shadow war." (Like "Second World War" or "World War II")
5. mundane or telepath should not be capitalized except in cases of where proper capitalization rules apply (start of sentence, etc). The same would go for "tep" (telepath) or "tek" (telekinetic)
6. I know that Wikipedia proper has rules governing British or English spelling, but I think that since the show was American in origin, that we should stick to American English.
Hope this helps. Please don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have! We thank you for your help. Radagast83 22:06, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
I honestly don't have much of an opinion on when or if an individual ship's name should be italicized. I think either works fine so long as it's used consistently within a given article (at this point I think editing all articles to be entierly consistent with one or the other would be an immense and particularly worthwhile chore.)
As for British vs. American spellings; it's an American show so the spelling should reflect that...however since I happen to be British I'll have to leave it up to others who find such things of interest to correct me. I have better things to be doing. ;-) Blind Wolf 23:11, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you both. I appreciate your help. Triskaideka 01:19, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

annoying quotes[]

All I wanted to do was put in a comma and and the correct from of techno-mage. For some reason after editing the end quotation mark on each now appears on a separate line.

Could you fix this and/or tell me how?   The Memory of War

Also is the format for quotes to be like the following?

"speaker-in-bold to target-not-bold"

Lastly a couple name format queries.

Medlab or MedLab

jumpgate/Jumpgate or Jump Gate/jump gate

Starfurys or Starfuries

jump point/Jump Point or jumppoint/Jumppoint

hyperspace or Hyperspace

shadow ship or vessel?

Shadow Vessel/Ship

human or Human

epsilon 3 or III (for use with all numbered planets)

Also is in the medlab or in medlab right?

For ship classes, is it Omega Class Destroyer or Omega class destroyer? And are hyphens ever needed?

Well that is all I have for now.

Triskaideka 22:50, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh! Many apologies. I've been stuck over at the Mad Men wiki, primarily since I haven't had time to start my epic re-watch of Babylon 5 (to help sneak in additional information where possible). Let see if I can help answer some of your questions:
Have you checked out Template:Quote? That may help.
Oh naming conventions....
This is tough and we will probably need Blind Wolf's help on this part. (best guess on my part in bold). I would think:
Medlab or MedLab
jumpgate/Jumpgate or Jump Gate/jump gate (presuming that is how it's printed in the books/reference material - I don't have them handy at the moment)
Starfurys or Starfuries (I would think proper English would conform that way; if we're just taking non-specific multiple starfuries)
jump point/Jump Point or jumppoint/Jumppoint
hyperspace or Hyperspace (not sure, this is a tough one, is it a proper place, should it be "Hyperspace" everywhere, I'm not sure).
shadow ship or vessel? (I'm thinking Shadow vessel since I believe it is referred to that way the series)
Shadow Vessel/Ship (though not capitalized Shadow vessel as described in the line above)
human or Human (human is normally lowercase, but again, I'm not sure)
Hope some of that helps. Chime in if you have further questions or comments. Radagast83 07:40, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
Off the top of my head I'm pretty sure Radagast83 is correct with most of those, I'll have a look and check them later. As far as planet numbers vs. numerals; that was a judgement call on my part to try to sort out all sorts of confusion we were having a few years back. The show itself and the official guide is pretty loose as both forms of notation shows up but the reason the wiki sticks to numerals is to distinguish planets (Epsilon III, Zafran VII, etc.) from other things like colonies (Beta 9, Omega 7, Earth Colony 3 etc.) and space stations (Babylon 5, Jericho 3, LaGrange 2 etc.) Blind Wolf 17:34, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

New Heading Design[]

Have any thoughts on what the new heading should look like? I still have the logo's master file so it'll be easy enough to incorporate that, perhaps against a screencap of the station & Epsilon III? Incidentally do you think we should look at altering the existing white/yellow pallet into something more in keeping with the show? Low saturation shades of dark blues leap to mind. Personally I'm keeping my settings on the old configuration, at least for now. The new one bugs me for some reason...feels a bit untidy. Blind Wolf 23:44, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

I know how you feel. I started to focus on this earlier in the week, then I got blasted at work with too much... work, so I haven't had time to focus in on this. I may tinker around with some thoughts tonight. The new look is certainly... new looking. I'm keeping it in the old style as is as well. I do think some updating is in order, a new color palate would be great. What colors do you think would really fit?
Should we keep it simple or have slightly different color schemes for some species? I don't know if that would be a smart move though. Human, Minbari, Narn, Centauri, Vorlon, Shadow, and "other?" All slightly different? Eh... perhaps a tad bit ambitious.
So anyway, what do you think the basic color scheme could be? Blue Sector blue, that gray color, crimson red?
It's also time for a new "Featured Article" on the homepage I think, maybe throw in some of the other features you can find on other wiki homepages. A better intro about the show, a "Featured Media" window we can swap out an image in every so often, etc... Radagast83 00:03, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
I've been knocking around of the Mass Effect wiki a bit lately and I rather like the darker pallet they use. I think it helps the pictures stand out more somehow. As for the info boxes, I think the basic look we have now works OK, though rather than colour code them (which I've already tried) I think it'd be better to standardise it so they all use the same blue that I put on the 'character' template. Speaking of the infoboxes, the new layout really buggers them up, since the width in now fixed and they've lumped all that crap on the right. No idea how we'd fix that so it'd look good in both modes. Is there any way to change the default skin back to what it was for all visitors, or are we stuck with this?
I did try and make a template that would have a race logo sit at the top of the article, like the wookipedia's "era" markings, but I couldn't get it to work right.
I agree the front page needs an overhaul, one way or the other. That whole "welcome to B5" intro box is a bit of a waste IMO. I mean anyone who comes here must have at least a basic understanding of what the show is about. I notice other wikis have graphical "buttons" on the front pages that directly to the the major topics (characters, races, locations, ships, govs, etc) so maybe that is worth looking into? The buttons themselves should be pretty easy, we can either use cropped and scaled screen caps or I can cook up so logos. Perhaps based on the station's signage (medlab, security, transport tube, C'n'C, alien sector, Zocalo etc.), or just use the race/organisation logos? Blind Wolf 21:48, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Just trying out some concepts for a new banner; though I'm not sure what the dimensions are supposed to be so I've done a simple small version and a larger, slightly more elaborate one. What to you think? Blind Wolf 12:57, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

This all sounds like a good plan. Would you think the rounded "buttons" or the "Characterportal" template I've seen on quite a few wikis (I first saw it on the Mad Men wiki that I frequent). I can try my hand at that once we figure out which route to go. Your larger banner is awesome and I think we need to integrate that soon. Radagast83 20:47, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
I can do the buttons, no problem. We just have to decide what we want them to look like and what they should link to. I think the character portal think works best on wikis that cover just one particular show/game/book/whatever. This wiki is more like the Trek and BSG wikis in that it covers a whole franchise so topic buttons would seem to be the way to go. Aside from that, the extended cast is so big it'd take up half the damn page. ;) As for the banner, it was just a quick concept I knocked off, so there's some room for refinement there. Blind Wolf 04:17, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
Certainly. Just to clear up what I meant was the overall design of the character portal template being used, not the intention to use it only for characters. The Mad Men one uses it for Season badges/buttons as well, but if you'd like to go for it on the graphics - don't let me stop you! Radagast83 05:02, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
I see what you mean. It's certainly worth looking at, but again, we have to decide what we want the portal to link to. What do you think? One for each of the five seasons of B5 plus one each for Crusade, the movies and "other media" (books, comics & short stories)? What about general topics? Looking at the "popular pages" list it looks like what most people come here for is the characters, races and ships. So perhaps one each for them and another for say "locations"? This might mean resurrecting the old "races" article, as I don't think linking straight to the categories would look very nice. Perhaps if we patterned it after this kind of article it'd serve better as a sub-portal? Of course we'll then have to decide which articles deserve a direct link and probably get some better, uniformly cropped images too.
What are your thoughts on the buttons? I thought about using the signage from around the station, but they're mostly pretty abstract and it'd be a bit of a stretch assigning arbitrary meaning to them, so perhaps cropped screen caps are the way to go? Blind Wolf 00:18, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
OK, I've just have a quick muck about with various colour schemes and I think if we use #0a1733 for the background and white text with the same #0f3e90 & #b4d5fe combo we have on the front page for the headers it should be fairly readable. Not sure how that'll look with the current grey info boxes, but we can always alter them to suit. We might have to change the wiki-link colour (amusing that's possible), if so then #b4d5fe should work pretty well. Anyway we can test this out without breaking the wiki? ;-) Blind Wolf 00:54, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
Had a quick mess around to see what the buttons might look like. What do you think? Too uniform? I tried labelling them, but I think the text was either too small or so big it crowded out everything else. I suppose I could put "Babylon" over the '5' if it's looking too spartan, but that still might be overkill...opinions? Blind Wolf 02:51, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
Overload! Okay, I like the buttons that you've created. I think that keeping them uniform would be good. The alternative would be to perhaps model the seasons off of the Bablyon station logos - though that could introduce some confusion if we're using Babylon 3's logo for Season 3. If we keep them uniform with different colors as you have them (or perhaps model off of Region 1 DVD case colors) and have a link below it explaining what it is linking to (like the Mass Effect link you provided) we should be set. The Races page idea is a great one actually.
I don't know if there's a way to test this without just doing it and hopefully not breaking it too bad. I really appreciate the effort you're putting into this on top of everything else! Radagast83 04:49, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry for lumping that all at once, I had a bit of spare time and was on a roll. ;-)
I did consider using the Babylon 1-5 logos but, as you say it might be confusing. Plus they're all different shapes and proportions so perhaps not so suitable. So I think we're in agreement that the simple coloured buttons with a caption would be the best way to go. I'll start uploading them shortly. I'll also see about making up some consistently proportioned thumbs for the "race" portal and start thinking about how to deal with articles that don't have images to go with them--like minor races that were only mentioned. What do you think? Just use a placeholder thumb or just stick the "minor races" template at the bottom? Blind Wolf 06:08, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
A Generic one would probably work, either from a screen shot that shows a bunch of aliens in the background (or that terrible Alien Zoo in the original version of The Gathering) or a styled shot of the league of non-aligned worlds meeting (or if we got a good empty shot of the room...). We could just start with the "minor races" template and then move on from there when we've finalized the rest. Radagast83 06:13, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
I just took a quick stab at it to see how it'd look. Feel free to muck around with it yourself, I'm still experimenting with the layout. As you can see I've just used the babcom screen to serve as a generic placeholder that we can use for anything if we have to (maybe even in the character or ship info boxes too?) Blind Wolf 07:09, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
Excellent! I like it so far - I'll take a look tomorrow after work since I'm way past my bedtime. I look into restoring the old "Races" page if the content is helpful. I like the Babcom screen as a placeholder - I like the idea of using that to further motivate us to get screenshots where necessary. Radagast83 07:18, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Just been having a stab at coming up with a more interesting background image than that off the shelf carbon thing; what do you think? It might be a little too big, but cutting it in half if need be shouldn't be too difficult, or if you have another idea I'd be more than willing to give it a go. Blind Wolf 09:29, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I like it. I can see about implementing it shortly. Radagast83 22:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
Righto. Like I said, if it's too big or doesn't fit let me know! I thought about using a shot of the station and/or Epsilon 3 but I think it would have been too distracting. BTW I think you might have to block this Allen Knott‎ character, at least temporarily. He keeps trying to alter or remove his previous comments in talk pages and the cheeky bugger even tried messing with my user pages! Blind Wolf 02:41, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
That was certainly an interesting few days. Okay, can you remove the darkened section from the middle of the proposed background image? The tools the wiki had are a little rigid for my liking, so it's hard to get the image exact without some part of that slightly darker middle section poking out. Once that's done I can get it in there and we should be all set! Radagast83 07:35, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
Tell you what, I'll do that in case this next idea doesn't work, but first I'll have a go at using the existing carbon BG as a template. Should have done that first really, but that's hindsight for you! P.S. Shall we move this discussion to Talk:Main Page? We're starting to gank up your personal talk page here. ;) Blind Wolf 08:11, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, lets move to Talk:Main Page. I think it's about time for me to do an archive... Radagast83 08:19, November 30, 2010 (UTC)


Hey Radagast83,

Two what up with the information below the images, for example Anna Sheridan? It very hard to see, unless you highlight it. Also after looking over the novels, someone should created a pages that list the novel in orders either by their place in timeline or by published dated. If someone has already done this, then never mind.

One other thing...I know this is not a fanfiction wiki but is there a Babylon 5 fanfiction Wiki? Because I edited the Battlestar Galactica Fanon Wiki alot that why I asks.


Allen Knott

Allen, thank you. We've been in the process of updating the template after the major overhaul that Wikia pushed across their site. I haven't really had a lot of time to pay close attention to all the templates, so some of them are still "out of whack."
As far as fan-fiction, can't say I'm aware of any wiki out there that caters to Babylon 5. Radagast83 05:42, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
:*Thank Radagast83, I will do the best I can in helping anyway I can. Maybe we should created a Babylon 5 Fanon Wiki at some point. Allen Knott November 23, 2010 1:32AM (EST)

reference tags[]

Hey Radagasti83, can you tell me how to makes a reference tags or to citations? It would be a great help becuase Blind Wolf is being a pain in the ass and while I has edit other wiki before I has never now to citations stuff.


Allen Knott

2:05am November 27, 2010 EST, US.

Try this Template:Reflist. Essentially you want to add references like this:
<ref>Source name, page, etc.</ref>
And on any pages without an existing Reference section, put in the footer like this:
Also don't forget to include a URL in the reference if it's a website.
Radagast83 07:11, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
I did the best I can...someone may need to go and fix them.
Allen Knott 2:38am, November 27, 2010 (EST, US)

The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5[]

Why is The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 not a good reference?

Here is what JMS says (from JMSNews):

I think The Lurker's Guide is an invaluable resource; I check it often when I need a quick fact about a prior episode and don't want to hassle with digging through scripts or tapes to find it. jms

Babylon 5 Fanon Wiki[]

Hey Radagast83,

I created the Babylon 5 Fanon Wiki. Also after one to many run into Blind Wolf, I'm not to stop work on this wiki and just focus on Babylon 5 Fanon wiki. So hope everything go well for you.

Re: Warning[]

So let me see if I understand this what are you saying. If I write a comments on a talk pages either a on pages or a profile's talk pages...I can not go back and remove its later? Is that what you are telling me? I'm sorry that I edit the Blind Wolf profile pages, I was attempt to remove my comments from his talk pages and hit the wrong button. Now I wanted all of my comments remove from the wiki and those include this one I posted on Blind Wolf's talk pages and I has no desire to has any futher inacting with the wiki becasue of the conflicts with Blind Wolf. Thank You Allen Knott 1:39am, November 29, 2010 (EST)

Yes, it's the normal practice at Wikipedia and across just about every Wikia site to retain all comments on the talk page. If you have minor changes (and I stress minor such as spelling or grammar changes) to make to your previous posts, go ahead - otherwise keep them as they are. Please do not undo these again. Radagast83 07:19, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
Thta is fine...I will not undo them again. However I do think that you need to do some about Blind Wolf because he seem to a problem for several people. Now he may edit a lot but that does not grant him the right to do whatever he want to do and after read your talks pages it seem that I'm not the only one who has the same problem with him. But I'm now going to focus just on Babylon 5 Fanon Wiki and after posting a notes on my profile; I will has no more to do with this wiki tell Blind Wold is gone.
Thank You
Allen Knott
November 29, 2010 2:28am EST



I made a mistake with my Avatar.^^

Could you delet the Image that I have uploaded "Amras.jpg"


Amras-Arfeiniel 23:57, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't sure if you wanted it completely deleted or just reverted. I've reverted to the original image, but if you'd like it completely deleted, I can do that. Thanks. Radagast83 07:33, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, just delet it. :)Amras-Arfeiniel 08:58, December 16, 2010 (UTC)


Sorry to drag you into this mate but Farragut79 is back to being a nuisance again. When you have a moment can you do a delete & move (and possible lock if this goes the way I think it might) for the Excalibur article? Cheers. Blind Wolf 01:12, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Nice, I am not a nuisance for anytime. In fact I contributed a lot to this wiki, so piss off. I just moved the article to its correct form. --Farragut79 01:32, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

WOAH GUYS. Take a step back. Take a breath. Relax.
With that said, I was on the fence. I've read both arguments and they are both convincing, however - I'm leaning a bit on this particular issue towards Farragut79's POV on the matter - that while Gideon's dialog is in the opening credits, he does say "Earth Alliance Starship Excalibur" and that may simply be enough to justify this particular move. And while the opening credits for B5's season 5 has JMS's name stenciled on the station's fusion reactor, I think it's clear that's for theatric presentation. We're certainly not dealing with fictional b5tech information, fan-fiction or unofficial video games here. There's some basis to this particular argument. While I enjoy the passion brought here, please everyone be civil, we're all B5 fans and all three of us appear to be looking out for the quality of the wiki based on our history of edits. Radagast83 08:31, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
All things being equal, I might agree. However, while I do understand the argument I just think the weight of evidence is clearly against the "EAS" prefix as the opening credits is the *only* place it occurs. In all other instances, be it in-episode dialogue, printed media and even the props and set dressing it is conspicuously absent. If the ship was Earthforce there wouldn't be a problem, however it wasn't an Earthforce ship, it was an ISA ship temporarily on loan by Sheridan. That point is mad several times, both in 'A Call to Arms' and at several points in the series. Still I recognise the apparent contradiction should be addressed but an entry in the notes section is all that it really warrants.
As far as the opening credits themselves go, I'd argue that it's as much of a "theatric presentation" as anything else in the various B5 opening credits. At no point in the show did that literal exchange between Gideon and Galen take place ('War Zone' was close, but not quite.) I rather suspect the reason behind the apparent contradiction was just a matter of simplifying the introduction. After all, it's a TV show, they have about 60 seconds to get though it so it has to be terse. I don't think "Who are you? Matthew Gideon, Captain. Assigned to the Interstellar-Alliance-built-Anla'Shok-starship Excalibur on-loan-to-the-Earth-Alliance" would have worked very well. Accurate though it may be. I suppose what I'm really driving at is that when the show itself is contradicted by one tiny bit of non-continuity dialogue from the opening credits, shouldn't we go with the show itself? If it were anything else wouldn't just that?
I'm perfectly open to discussing the matter and as I said on the talk page I'd welcome any new evidence I might have missed. What I got in response was what amounts to a tantrum where he unilaterally moved the article because he couldn't win a reasoned argument and wasn't getting his own way again.
As for issues of civility, I'm not the one leaving rude, snide and insulting messages on people's talk pages. I don't appreciate it and frankly I'm getting increasingly sick of having to deal with this kind of childish behaviour. I think I've done a lot for this wiki over the years and I don't think it's asking too much to expect some basic decorum. Blind Wolf 09:02, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

First of All, calling someone a nuisance works the same way. I acknowledge what you have done and in the past I have gone to you many times. Its when you go and rework someone else's effort even though it was fine in the way it was without discussing it or if be unreasonable to anyone's argument just because they don't believe your side is correct is just as insulting. Such as your JMS' name is on the station attack. Since I first left, I have been watching the wiki and looking things up. What I've seen you done to the other contributors is just mean, in the past two years, this wiki has barely grown. Yes, things have been re-arranged some, but only like a couple of hundred new articles have been made, the front page have only recently been changed, the featured article hasn't changed at all in the past few years, and you, Blind Wolf, have been pushing new contributors away. Yeah, some of them tried to push non-canon stuff into the wiki and I understood your arguments on that point, but the way you do it is wrong. If you want this wiki to grow and be improved, you need help.

Now back to the Excalibur, if there is proof on the show where anyone can go see it or hear it or if JMS says its just plain Excalibur, then yes I agree with you, but Gideon did say it. Yet, I am going to other sources to see if your argument is just. --Farragut79 February 24, 2011 (UTC)


I just like to say that I am not contributing to this wiki anymore and I have sent a message to the Wikia Staff about this wiki being anti-newcomer. It doesn't take a few hints about the reason for this action. since I have left in the first place, I have been coming to look up data and do some quick looks into the user interaction. I have noticed that many users have left for one reason, their editing conflicts with Blind Wolf. A lot of these conflicts, including mine, could have been resolved with the updated policies and style manuals, but as he put it, we have to take his word for it, especially when he would go and change an edit or an article that we have just done. This is not an active wiki and it has not grown very much in the past one and half years since I have stopped contributing. In fact, with articles over 2,000, I am surprised to see that it has very low active contributors and no spotlight entries. I do believe that is because any new contributor that wants to do something get into a disagreement with Blind Wolf, who then re-edits or undo what that new person has done, even though it conforms to the policies and style manual. So, this has led me to believe that this wiki is creating an atmosphere of anti-newcomer or is not a public wiki, only a private one that is open to the public. --Farragut79 February 27, 2011 (UTC)

New to the site, and have a question[]

(recent message to BoneGnawer that I've copied here to you)

Hey, I'm new to the site and I have no idea if I'm even directing this question at the right person. I'm also new to actually participating in a Wiki, so forgive my ignorance on this subject. I was just wondering why there is no content here regarding the Babylon 5 card game, as much as I love the show I equally enjoyed the game, and I was interested to know if there would be any opposition to such content on this wiki. Just some thoughts. I've enjoyed the rest of the site and the information here, keep up the good work, and I hope to be contributing soon as well. NarcN'Grath ~ 5 April 2011

Thanks for joining out to help grow this Wiki! I can't believe I forgot about the CCG! I bought so many of those cards and never actually played a single game due to lack of interest amongst my friends/family. I've started an article for it here: Babylon 5 Collectible Card Game. One of our goals is to present the official Babylon 5 universe, using only canon materials. Without looking too into it at the moment, I can't recall how the CCG was handled. I seem to recall other CCGs making up a great deal of information (Star Wars had a card say that Obi Wan and Uncle Owen were brothers before it was made clear in the prequels that it was not the case). To keep the wiki growing, I would suggest putting any facts derived from the CCG (that weren't part of the series) into a "Apocrypha" section at the bottom of the article (like other articles currently have). This keeps potential non-canon information out of the main section of the article. We do the same for some of the other games and the books that aren't considered part of the official lineup. If none exist, add this:
And then we can sort the information out later. We have such an example here: Lorien for you to look at. Be warned, some of it may be removed or reworked. Please reference the CCG if you add any apocrypha sections. If you think that any of this is undue and shouldn't be removed, let me know and I can take a look. If you'd like to first work on the CCG page, go for it! Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy Editing!
Radagast83 22:03, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Could you tell me how to rename pages, if they names are incorrect?Great Gray 11:49, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Great Gray, if the page is incorrect, I believe you should be able to click the "Edit" button at the top of the page, and select "Rename" from that drop down. Sometimes you can't do this if there is a redirect already in place. Looks like the one you wanted corrected was taken care of. Radagast83 16:18, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Template News[]

I tried to edit the News template with a couple new additions (you can see what I did in page history) but it doesn't seem to have "taken". It allowed me to edit the page so I don't think its a protected template. Does it take a day or two for templates to update? - DragonMage 23:13, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, I see what was done. The last part was commented out because it was too long and overlapped the Featured Media video link. Perhaps we could move the Latest News section to below the Featured Media? Just a thought. - DragonMage 23:28, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
(taps on shoulder) - DragonMage 23:58, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. I was super busy for the last week. I'm not sure. I think we should probably keep the news section pretty succinct (or as succinct as possible), and except in the cases where the advertisement is double the height, having it in the right column works pretty well in keeping the two columns balanced. Perhaps it's time to kill off the "It was the dawn of the Third Age of mankind..." section. I like it, but it takes valuable retail space. Perhaps we could eliminate that, and put the news section on top of that like on Memory Alpha? The news really is the probably the most commonly updated part (I need to write a new Featured Article section). Let me know your thoughts. Thanks! Radagast83 05:45, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
I do like the idea of eliminating the "It was the dawn of the Third Age of mankind..." section. It can always be re-added at a later date if you miss it. I also like the idea of moving up the News section. Why don't we try that and see how we like it? - DragonMage 16:27, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the main page is probably better off without the "Dawn of the third age..." bit. As it stands though, I think the "News" section would probably look better if it was moved to the right column. Also, are we still considering adopting this type of arrangement in place of the 'contents' section? Blind Wolf 09:53, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Crud. I totally forgot about the fantastic thumbnails! Yes. Are we ready to move forward with that? Certainly if we implement that, I'd be perfectly fine if the news was moved back to the left column. We just needed something more... interesting "above the fold." If we're ready, we should move on this. Thanks! Radagast83 06:56, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Well I wouldn't say we're 100% ready as the 'ships', 'movies' and 'publications' portal pages have yet to be done. Can't say as I'm eager to get into the inevitable argument that'll most likely come with choosing what does and dose not get to be on the 'ships' page. I suppose in the mean time we could just link those directly to the categories if you want to move on this sooner rather than later. I haven't had much free time lately to spare working on the wiki, but I'll try and get more don in the next month or so. Blind Wolf 10:54, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[]

Thank you. My edits were not showing up at the time. As you suggested "Wikia was probably having difficulties." --EarthFurst 09:41, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Babylon 4 Startrek mess[]


Someone did mess up the Babylon 4 page. -.-


Amras-Arfeiniel 17:06, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for letting me know about this. I didn't notice it last night. Radagast83 18:19, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

hey i need help editing i keep getting errors. i fear im doing more harm tghean good

having trouble[]

Hi Im new to the wikia and im trying to figure out how to edit without messing things up.. I seem to be having all sorts of problems can you reccomend a site or explain to me how the references work.Talkshow22 19:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome aboard. I've been super busy this past few weeks - so I haven't been on here much. Okay - hopefully you see this message. Basically for unique references (ones that do not appear elsewhere on the page) you add them as so:


For refrences that already appear, you'll need to add a unique "name" attribute to it as such:

<ref name=zhadum>[[Z'ha'dum]]</ref>

Then for subsequent entries of that reference (further down the page):

<ref name=zhadum />

And finally (if it doesn't exist):

 ==References== {{reflist}}

Hope that helps.

SPAM page, I believe[]

I believe this page needs looking into (Video:Medical_Powerpoint_Templates_-_Slideworld_Custom_Medical_PPT_Template) -- DragonMage 23:18, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Taken care of the problem! Radagast83 04:17, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Warlock[]

Check my Talk page. Blueresistance posted just right above you about "citations". Now check out his talk page, and look at the extremely long, and detailed explanation I gave him............. i really hope I don't have to do this all over again. But please talk a look. But also I have some new information below I forgot to mention.

Since the Warlock is almost NEVER talked about or seem in Babylon, I am using information said by Babylon 5 itself during the series, and movies, and then using logical sense and logical physics to confirm these facts.

In Babylon 5, Endgame, it is said that the Particle Cannon beam from the Earth Defense grid could wipe out 40% of the Eastern Seaboard by itself. Now, if it can do that do a PLANET, what would it do to a Warship?!?! That is nearly 100% proof, from Babylon 5 itself, that a Warlock does have the firepower to match a Sharlin Minbari crusier. Unless you think a mere Sharlin Cruiser is somehow more powerful than an entire planet, especially one the size of EARTH!! So if a Particle beam, that has the power to level up to 40% of a planets surface, how would it have ANY trouble what-so-ever destroying a simple Capital ship destroyer? Answer is: it wouldn't. Granted, the Particle peams did have to power up first before firing that heavy of a payload. But even if it only powered up for a few seconds before firing, and the WarLock only had 1/20th the power firing it's particle cannon vs a FULL CHARGE, using math, it still makes it COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE for it not to be capable of destroying a Minbari Sharlin Cruiser, techincally it should destroy it in one shot. Even 1/20th of 40% of Earths Surface is still more than Sharlin Cruiser. Much, much more. EVEN if if was 1/100th of the power vs a full charge, it still would level 1/100th of 40% of Earth, which is still MUCH more than a simple Sharlin Cruiser. So to say that it can level up to 40% of a planets surface (CONFIRMED by Babylon 5 itself, in ENDGAME), then to TURN AROUND and say that it "cannot fight a Minbari Crusier" is the the worst logic possible. It's just completely impossible, from a logical standpoint, physics and a mathematical standpoint. The Sharlin crusier is not a god. It is not invicible. In fact, the Grey Council Fleet as seen in the movie "ITB", the Sharlin Cruiser was fired upon by OLD Earth-ships (Hyperions and Novas) and they completely ripped through the Minbari Armor, straight into the hull OF A SHARLIN CRUISER, killing their leader. So if a Hyperion can do that to a Sharlin, rip through it's hull and armor so easily and kill their leader, how in the WORLD can a Warlock not stand up to a Sharlin Cruiser? The Warlock is the most advanced Warship EarthGov has ever made, unless you count the Victory, but that was a Joint project. So again, using the logic of it's particle beams being able to level 40% of a planets surface (or as I stated above, we could say only 1/100th of that since we are assuming the Warlock is NOT charging up it's weapons to full power first), PLUS the fact that a highly inferior Hyperion class destroyer was able to rip through a Sharlin's armor hull and kill it's leader - ADD those two facts together and you have basically 100% conclusive proof that a Warlock DOES have the power to kill a Sharlin Crusier. Now do we get to see a Sharlin vs Warlock fight? No. But since we don't, we are going off information give during the series to determine it's power. And if the arguement of "well it was never said that a Warlock could......." then one could use the EXACT SAME counter-arguement of saying "well, it was never said that a Warlock COULDN'T"...... See my point there too? So how can we say a Sharlin is superior, when in fact, B5 NEVER stated that a Sharlin was superior to a Warlock? It never mentioned anything at all.

NOW, it is said by Tim Earl himself, that the WARLOCK was the FIRST destroyer to every mount the Particle beams that where normally only on the Earth Defense grid - because before they where too powerful to mount onboard a Destroyer, but now with the Warlock, it proves it's powerful enough to handle it - it's also the first and only ship to ever mount such a powerful Particle Cannon beam, that even Tim Earl said, because of the power requirements NO OTHER SHIP have hever mounted these particle cannon beams, rather instead, they where used on things such as the Earth Defense network. So the Warlock has the same particle cannon beam that the Earth Defense grid has. In fact, the Warlock has a "Dual" particle cannon laser, as seen in the movie "Lost tales". ONE particle cannon beam is powerful enough, being as it is the same particle cannon that is on the Earth-defense grid. But TWO? That even further proves my point on the Warlocks firepower. ThatRebel17 00:47, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Before I commented on your talk page, I had read every single posting between you and Blueresistance. The current references don't quite satisfy the criteria that this wiki allows for citations. You can post all you'd like but this point stands.
  • B5Tech almost never sites it sources - we've spent years removing such unattributed material from this site because there simply wasn't any information that could be verified as to whether some random guy simply made up the ship stats or if they were actually derived from official sources. Certainly if official sources can be directly linked to that provide this information we'd be all ears.
  • As for the links to the "Warlock Technical Discussion Group", could there please be more specific attribution? Linking directly to the board is not helpful and not correct citation practice, especially since it means that the person checking out the source would need to dig, sifting through sourced material that may be questionable (random posters). These aren't the same as linking to a different page on the same site that is using direct quotes from Tim Earls.
  • We do not accept original research so no facts derived or extrapolated from any specific sources can be used - supposition and/or comments regarding the subjects of articles can be placed in a "notes/behind the scenes" or some other such section, regarding discrepancies or whatnot as other wikis like Star Trek's Memory Alpha do. Trying to plug in the numbers for a fictional show, even one that tries to be as scientifically accurate as possible just can't be done. It's fiction.
I really appreciate your dedication to Babylon 5, but this wiki has some firm ground-rules that are borrowed from Wikipedia - no original research, citations that actually site the facts they're referencing, and so on. I'd certainly like to see this dedication used for the betterment of this wiki on a vast array of other pages. You'll need to address the citation issue on this particular issue or the admins will need to evaluate exactly what text needs to stay or go on their own. Cheers. Radagast83 05:21, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

im new and i need your help[]

as a mater of fact i can use your help on my editing. i need to know how to create links to existing articals or make links to new articals. i promiss to follow all of your rules administarter i want to help as much as i can. i loved babylon 5 when i was a child back in the 1990's when it was on the air and i was going to middle school and then high school its such a thought provacative show. im now middle aged but i still love the concept of galactic federation government Promethius20 16:51, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Related Videos Module[]

Hi, my name is Nic and I'm a member of the Wikia Content Development Team. As you may have seen on many wikis such as Call of Duty, there is a new module for the right hand column that displays related videos to the Wiki. This is a new feature that we want to place on your wiki, would you be cool with allowing this? The module can be seen on any page, here is an example - Wagnike2 (talk) 23:27, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hello there. I suppose that wouldn't hurt Nic. Thanks for reaching out to me. I'm not sure what all I'll need to do. If there's anything you need, let me know. Radagast83 (talk) 01:37, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

I am editing a video for Claudia Christian and would like to use an image you have of Jeff Conway. Is that possible?

Diana Lundin107.195.118.179 19:45, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose so. We reserve no rights to any of the content on this site. Either it is under fair use or has been released with the proper non-profit uses. You should be able to use any of the images you would like here. Radagast83 (talk) 06:44, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Dates and chronology[]

Hi Radagast, I don't participate much here since I am mostly a reader. I saw that you are a significant contributor so I decided to pose you a question (in random). If you don't know the answer, please redirect me to a relevant source or discussion.

It is very nice that each episode infobox includes a "Chronological Order" field which allows us to browse each episode according to continuity order, and helps someone who wishes to watch the series in in-universe date rather than air date. However I noticed that the chronological order is not always consistent with the date field above. For example, the infobox for Survivors (dated June, 2258), provides the following event as By Any Means Necessary (dated May, 2258). If I continue the browsing, I am sure I will find other such discrepancies but I think this is sufficient as an example.

Now one of these data is wrong. Either the guys who linked the episodes chronologically made an error, or someone put wrong dates in one or more infoboxes. Therefore, how can someone discern which is correct? What is the source for each episode date and how canonical is it? Since the chronological order doesn't seem always to follow the dates, who proposed this ordering or what is its source?

A third logical explanation is that the episodes themselves are inconsistent in their own chronology. For example it's possible that "By Any Means Necessary" refers to events that happened in episodes set in June; therefore the episode is anomalous and supposed to be set later than these, despite its date. Such discrepancies can also be seen with the Star Trek stardates. However I have yet to watch these episodes to know if this is the reason, and the "Continuity" section doesn't mention any inconsistency.

If I knew that the dates are 100% correct, I would be more than willing to undertake the tedious task of correcting the order and linking each episode chronologically; but since I can't know which is more correct over the other, I can't take such an initiative.

I hope you can help me solve this problem, or at least explain the reason for this discrepancy. I don't know whether you reply in your or my talk page, but since I don't check in this wiki much, I would appreciate if you leave a notification in mine. Thank you for your time and trouble. MoffRebusMy Talk 10:29, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

UGH. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. This problem goes way back to mid-2011 when we had a major stink about the cannonicity of the Across Time and Space: The Chronologies of Babylon 5 book. Looks like some of the dates haven't been fixed yet. I've gone though and followed Terry Jones' chronology, which matches the dates included here. Should be right now, if not let me know. Radagast83 (talk) 19:07, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


I added a picture that I created from a 3D model I built of the Warlock Destroyer - that was intended for the Warlock wikia page:

I'm new to this Wikia editing thing, but I am not sure I did it right, I don't see the picture when I go to the Walock page...


2753Productions (talk) 21:30, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Radagast I'm looking to edit the David Sheridan II side box as it has got his birthdate as 2263, it's not it's 2262. How do I get in and edit this? I've edited the reference to Across Time and Space to correct that entry as Nonofyourbusiness obviously hasn't read my introduction that explains all about Minbari cycles (and Narn years as well). I've been reordering my notes recently and came across my scribblings about Delenn's reproductive cycle that I based my December birthdate on. I am in the process of tidying them up and will be passing them onto B5books to publish.B5historyman (talk) 07:51, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome message. May I suggest blocking User:2tohuGames. They seem to be doing quite a bit of vandalism. Reguyla (talk) 03:25, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

And now for a word ... ;)[]

Thanks for the welcome.  The "anonymous" edit isn't that anonymous since it's a static IP (visiting it will result in a rewrite/redirect to my website).  As I've said on my user page, my edits will be somewhat sporadic (expect spelling and grammatical fixes as I see them), but I have just noticed the Wikia API so I might write some Python scripts to use that if it looks like it will be useful.  Hasimir (talk) 03:47, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I just wanted to try and fix the video that went down on the main page. I don't want to mess anything up. Here is the link for the video.

President Clark (talk) 02:26, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Help, please[]

I just visited the website and found that someone downloaded a photo of a flower using my name. Is there any way I can have it erased? ``Hugh.sutherland1``

Hey, funny enough, I don't see it on the page it says it was posted to. I was able to find the photo, but for whatever reason I'm not able to delete it. If you see it on any pages, let me know! Radagast83 (talk) 17:42, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Hopefully it's nothing to be concerned about. Please give me feedback about my contributions (the real ones)!

Thanks for allowing me to be apart of this page Radagast83(Dragonboy546 (talk) 05:30, October 18, 2014 (UTC)Jarvis Davidson)

BlueResistance deleted my page I worked on[]

Hey Radgast83 I worked on a page and then yesterday it got deleted by Blue Resistance, and I was wondering if I can remake the page I was working on. (Dragonboy546 (talk) 17:04, October 21, 2014 (UTC)Dragonboy546)

Hello. I'm sorry you're having difficulties here. I took a look and Blue Resistance is indeed correct about the status of the Babylon Project standards regarding this page and on this page. However, you can post your edits to the non-canon/fan-fic wiki,
Don't fret, your edits are still here for a short time, so your hard work has not gone to waste: I won't remove the page until you've had a chance to move it over.

Don't want to move stuff[]

Dude I don't care if its canon or not why does it have to be that way. (Dragonboy546 (talk) 23:49, October 21, 2014 (UTC)Dragonboy546)

If you'd like to, copy it now and create a new page on that other wiki. If you want to work on improving that wiki, please feel free to use this particular wiki as a resource to build new pages over there. Please reach out to me on my user talk and I might be able to lend a helping hand from time to time if you have questions on improving that particular wiki. I can help a bit with creating any templates you might be interested in using that don't already exist over there. Happy editing and please keep it civil. Radagast83 (talk) 17:54, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Why can't I see sec on the info box of the ship?[]

hey its me I just want to know why only CO n XO is only on the infomation box? (Dragonboy546 (talk) 01:17, October 26, 2014 (UTC)Dragonboy546)

Hello, Radagast? I'm having a problem with publishing an edit I made to the article "War Without End, Part II". It doesn't seem to publish properly. Is there anything you can do? Hugh.sutherland1 (talk) 22:53, March 9, 2015 (UTC)HughSutherland

Hey Hugh, I can't see why you can't edit. Could you try again? It could have been an overall Wikia issue. Radagast83 (talk) 05:10, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Asking about adding a new section[]

Hello and good evening. I wanted to ask about adding a new section to an existing article. Specifically, in the Army of Light article, there is no mention of the new uniforms Delenn created for the senior staff following the station's independence. I mean there is a passing mention of this. But, specifics about these uniforms have never been discussed in detail. At least, not that I could find. So, would it be alright if I researched, wrote and inserted this section into the Army of light article????Briguy1978 (talk) 04:25, August 27, 2016 (UTC) 

I don't see why not, so long as the information isn't speculative! Radagast83 (talk) 06:37, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

New Earth[]

The Deconstruction of Falling Stars there's a note saying JMS confirmed New Earth was the Vorlon homeworld. I've looked everywhere on line for confirmation of this, nothing. It was also never said to me when I was compiling the Historical Database that this was the case. If there's nothing to back it up, then I think this is just fanon. Terry Jones B5historyman (talk) 11:32, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

The Vorlon Homeworld talk page mentions that JMS said it in the DVD commentary. I'm actually re-watching the show right now (well just season 4 and 5), and should be getting to that episode either tonight or tomorrow sometime. I'll listen with the commentary to see if that's accurate. Thanks for catching this to ensure we have only canon material on the site. Radagast83 (talk) 13:24, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

Watched Deconstruction of Falling Stars with commentary, was nice to get my timeline plugged by JMS. I can confirm that he says the Vorlon Homeworld is New Earth. Just now finished updating the Historical Database. Terry. B5historyman (talk) 15:19, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

Scienc fiction footer[]

Hi, Radagast83!

I removed the outdated Science fiction footer; as a replacement, I'd like to invite Babylon 5 to join our television footer program. Please let me know if you are interested!

Best regards,

Raylan13 (talk) 22:04, October 7, 2016 (UTC)

That would be wonderful! I'll post on your talk page in a few days if you don't see this before then. Thank you! Radagast83 (talk) 04:05, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
Done! Raylan13 (talk) 15:47, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate category[]

Just to point out that there are two "Ambassador" categories: Category:Ambassador and Category:Ambassadors.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:51, October 18, 2016 (UTC)

Blaire Baron[]


Thanks for contacting Fandom. This is the general support address for Fandom powered by Wikia, the host of this community, but not for the community itself.

Your best bet for this kind of request is to ask an admin on the wiki. You can contact one here:

I hope that points you in the right direction. Good luck, and feel free to let us know if you need anything else!

__ Sean M. Wikia Community Support

Blairebaron11, Oct 30, 3:58 PM UTC:

I am Blaire Baron - you have an image that I do NOT want circulated ANYWHERE. I want it removed. I have upload another image myself.  But I want it taken down. I have attached it below. Please get it off your site. I will support this site as an actor in the Babylon 5 Pilot - but I will strongly request approval of pictures of me going up here - as they affect GOOGLE SEARCH.  Blaire Baron @BlaireBaron  323-632-7574

Remove what I am attaching here. 

---- Blaire Baron (blairebaron11@gmail.com Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_5) AppleWebKit/601.7.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/9.1.2 Safari/601.7.7


wkID: 177; wkLang: en; IP:; uID: 30368040 (User:Blaire Baron); uLang: en; referral:

Screenshot attached.

Attachment(s) phpEeKMu3.jpegBlaire Baron (talk) 19:04, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Blaire Baron 

Blaire, the photo you requested be remove has been taken off the page and has been deleted from the site. Please let us know if you have any aditional changes you'd like made. Radagast83 (talk) 19:27, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Formatting issue[]

While adding images and new characters to the List of Unnamed characters I am having repeated trouble with the spacing between Section B and Section C. (Section C keeps encroaching into Section B area) Please help me identify and correct the issue. I expect to be doing a LOT of similar additions so there may be more similar instaces by the time you get this. Kenn ferguson (talk) 15:21, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

I also have not been able to figure out how to get the Contents link at the top of the page to update. It does not list each letter of the alphabet that has references. Kenn ferguson (talk) 18:50, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

I added some basic HTML that seems to have done the trick.
I actually really hate that page quite a bit. I'm thinking that for unnamed characters that have more than a sentence about them, we should consider breaking them off into their own pages, especially if it's going to continue to grow. Thoughts?
Removing a letter from the "CompactTOC8" on the page should do the trick. Like remove "|a=" if you want it to appear in the table of contents.
Radagast83 (talk) 06:44, September 21, 2017 (UTC)
I have tried correcting both the contents at the top (using the method you recommend) and the spacing of the images. I was also unable to get either to work. 2601:441:4680:3230:644B:8324:2853:504B 16:53, May 8, 2019 (UTC)


I would like to learn how to add and remove entries from a category, my review so far hasn't turned up anything.

The specific example I encountered first, Earthforce Personnel, includes Catherine Sakai, Mr. Morden, and Marcus Cole; none of which worked for Earthforce. Sakai was an independant contractor working for Earth Megacorps, no contracts with Earthforce were even inferred (which still wouldn't qualify her for the list). Morden worked for IPX, an Earth MegaCorp, not Earthforce. His trip aboard the Icarus was not an Earthforce mission nor did it involve any EF personnel or escort even. Marcus Cole is a Ranger and despised Earth as a greedy tax-eating entity that served no purpose to his home on Arisia. The Rangers are about an non-Earthforce as he could get.

Now that I have been adding many new character pages and updating many more I would like to know how to add these pages to the category lists as well. Kenn ferguson (talk) 13:08, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Marcus Cole was drafted into Earthforce during the Earth-Minbari War. I think you're right about Sakai and Morden, but please double check their pages to ensure there isn't a reference that is being forgotten.
As for removing categories, edit using the source editor, not the VisualEditor. They're listed at the way bottom of the pages. Adding should be the same process. If you're trying to replicate a category from another page, edit (but don't save) that page and look to see how it's implemented.
Radagast83 (talk) 06:36, September 21, 2017 (UTC)
Found out how to add, not to remove yet. Kenn ferguson (talk) 15:57, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

Request for deletion and block[]

When you get a chance, would you delete the pages currently titled "Page for Deletion (1)" and "Page for Deletion (2)" and block the IP address ( that created them on September 21? The pages originally had names and content that were homophobic and transphobic, and irrelevant to the wiki. At my current level, the best I could do was delete the content (but not the pages themselves) and change the names to something less offensive. Thanks. -- BlueResistance (talk) 15:23, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Taken care of! Thanks for letting me know. Radagast83 (talk) 05:29, October 8, 2017 (UTC)


Hi! Have you ever pondered the benefits of adding a corner for fanfiction? 23:28, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely not. As far as I'm concerned, this Wikia will always only include material from canon sources. However, you can add any Babylon 5 related fan-fiction to this other Babylon 5 wikia: Babylon 5 Universal Wiki. Radagast83 (talk) 07:53, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

Discussions/Wiki Spiff[]

Hi Radagast83; I'm Amanda with FANDOM's community development team! I'm contacting you to see if you are interested in a wiki spiff. I'd create a new background skin for the wiki and update the local nav so that it has more links to pages. I'm also contacting you to see if you'd like to turn on Discussions.

In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly, and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. You can read more about Discussions here.

For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail.

If you have some concerns, Discussions and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea.

Let me know what you think, and if you want to proceed I can get the ball rolling. Witnessme (talk) 18:51, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Witnessme! I'd be all for adding some features to the site. I do know we used to have a background image at some point: [1]. Not sure what happened to it. I've been kind of busy elsewhere for a while, but I'm hoping to get back to editing regularly soon. Let me know if I can help at all.
I have no concerns over Discussions being added at this time. Thank you. Radagast83 (talk) 03:24, May 24, 2018 (UTC)[]

Thank you for blocking User: for his vandalism on various pages. GusF (talk) 08:16, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Babylon 5 is back on TV[]

Hey why did you delete the page?4Corry (talk) 00:42, July 24, 2018 (UTC)

  • BlueResistance already covered the reasons on the deleted page's talk page. I deleted the page 5 hours after your acknowledgement of his comment. If you would like to contribute to Babylon 5, please see this page first. Radagast83 (talk) 05:06, July 24, 2018 (UTC)

Not sure if this is the best place for this message. Here goes!

My name is Patrick Barnes from COMET TV.  I just wanted to let you know that Babylon 5 is coming back on TV. It starts on our network October 1 at 9/8 C on COMET TV.

In case you have not heard of COMET we are a free over the air science fiction network.

We hope you can share this with your fellow fans. Our links are below.

Please contact me with any questions.

Thank you!

Pat Barnes
Brand Manager & B5 Fan!

Babylon 5 influences Wikipedia article I want to port over here[] is up for deletion. Where the creator got ideas for various aspects of the series I think is something this wikia should have. Only an administrator can use Special:Import to import a page and all of its history over though. Anyone can use though to save it. You have to uncheck the first thing to save the entire history not just the recent one. If the file is too large you have to cut it to pieces and do each piece at a time. If you don't feel like doing it, you can make me an administrator and I will. You can then take the administrator setting from me when I'm done, I don't plan to edit here. Wonderful series and I just hate to see interesting stuff on Wikipedia get destroyed. Dream Focus 01:49, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for drawing attention to this! I'll take a look at this sometime on Tuesday! Radagast83 (talk) 08:54, February 12, 2019 (UTC)

Non-canon material[]

Can I ask why you are included entries from non canon material, why is it relevant when it has no place within the B5 universe? It’s been made clear by Joe what his position is regarding the early novelsB5historyman (talk) 21:22, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

This wiki has always included any and all content that has been officially published regarding Babylon 5, both canon and non-canon. Every article that is non-canon has included a disclaimer that it's from a non-canon source. I was starting to go through a laundry list of book content that was missing from the wiki and just happened to start with the first (or one of the first) book published, which just happened to be non-canon.
I was considering getting back in the groove here after a substantial time away from the wiki. This call-out is a bit shocking and not exactly welcoming. Radagast83 (talk) 22:15, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

It was a reasonable question, why should a reasonable question shock you? And just out of curiosity since we’re talking, I have seen your remarks you made above about the Across Time and Space:The Chronologies Of Babylon 5 causing a stink about its canonicity. What was so controversial about it? Terry Jones, author of the Babylon 5 Historical DatabaseB5historyman (talk) 07:58, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

It was more the tone than anything, especially since the wiki has contained content from these non-canon works for over a decade, though perhaps you just never noticed it on the wiki. The fact there is a category and even specific templates to indicate their lack of canonicity. It seems like a silly thing to call any user out about in any context, considering the state of editing on this wiki and definitely plays into the long history this wiki has had at failing to retain editors because of one or two agressive users.
As for those remarks you brought up about the, you weren't around then so I'll try to give you a little history regarding that. My memory of those events from 9 years ago was that a number of people (or maybe even one) editing here questioned the canonicity of the book. I was one of the defenders of the book. I own it. I've used it for reference. My only comment all those years ago was in-episode dates should take priority over all other and that in any circumstances that a conflict exists should be noted on the page. There may have been more, but you're referencing conversations on here thousands of edits ago, and nearly a decade ago. If you thought my comment was that I didn't support the books validity in terms of canonicity, you were mistaken. Radagast83 (talk) 14:23, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Not at all, I was just curious as to what it was that’s it. And I hope that in the not too distant future having spoken to Joe the day before yesterday that a fully revised and updated version will be published. Some of which has been used when I’ve been doing any editing. 👍 B5historyman (talk) 15:08, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Certainly. Sorry for coming across a bit brash. Trust me I will be getting to, and will focusing on canon material in the next days/weeks depending on my free time. Radagast83 (talk) 17:28, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I've been editing this wiki a lot recently although I haven't made an account. I just want to add my 2 cents that I appreciate having access to the non-canon background information on this wiki. Although the contents of non-canon novels and comics are described (and often in more detail) over at Lurker's Guide, I don't know of any other reference site describing material from the RPG books or Into the Fire video game, for example. It's necessary to clearly mark it as non-canon, but I like having it available. 2601:441:4680:3230:644B:8324:2853:504B 16:42, May 8, 2019 (UTC)

Well, I guess I have to add that the wiki Policy page says this wiki is "only for canon" and not for RPG material, so there does seem to be a contradiction. If the RPG material is going to be remove, can I request a link to an alternative source for it be put somewhere for those who are interested, please? 2601:441:4680:3230:644B:8324:2853:504B 17:05, May 8, 2019 (UTC)
Before editing the policy page, please re-state the question in that talk page.
I think adding that content to the pages is fine, but it needs to be tagged appropriately. For pages that are a mix between canon and non-canon material, please follow the formatting similar to Department Sigma where a "Apocrypha" header is included on the page and the non-canon information is added in that section. Remember to add in the appropriate template tag if appropriate, such as
Adding non-canon material to the main body of the content anywhere on the site should be a nonstarter. If the content you're planning on isn't licensed at all (i.e. "fan fiction") it can't be added to the site. There's a B5 fan-fiction wiki that exists somewhere if you search the internet for it. Radagast83 (talk) 20:04, May 8, 2019 (UTC)
Sorry that I wasn't clear. I'm not proposing to add anything (I don't own any of the non-canon material, unless the Day of the Dead script counts), just expressing my appreciation for what's already here and hope that it wouldn't be deleted. Or that if it is deleted, there could be a notice telling readers where else to find that material. 2601:441:4680:3230:644B:8324:2853:504B 21:56, May 8, 2019 (UTC)

A Page-Blanking Error[]

Hello Radagast,

A few times now, I've encountered a potentially serious error while editing which I think an admin should know about. What happens is that I edit a page to make a small change, to fix a spelling or grammar error or add a few words to an infobox. But when I look at the page or the history, I find that most or all of the page has been blanked by my own edit, even though I didn't intend to delete anything. This has happened at least three times now, making me an unintentional vandal which I definitely don't want. I've even found it difficult to revert afterwards, although I think I've succeeded in reverting them all. I've never encountered this type of error when editing other wikis and I can't guess why it's happening. I'm afraid I can't offer you technical details like which type of editor (Source, Classical Visual, or New) I was using when it happened. The first page it happened to was Babylon_5 when I clicked Undo to remove (probably actual) vandalism. It happend to Tzillari each time I tried to add it to Category:Tzillari. The latest was Lyta Alexander. I apologize that this has happened as a result of my edits and that I can't offer more technical details. 2601:441:4680:3230:644B:8324:2853:504B 03:29, May 9, 2019 (UTC)

I can now offer one technical detail: It happened again while adding the [merge] template to Category:True_Seeker using the source editor. (I fixed it.) I believe one of the times that Tzillari got blanked I was also using the source editor to try to add the [stub] template. And I'm using Firefox 56.0.2 (64-bit). 2601:441:4680:3230:916E:6C5F:D249:8969 05:05, May 11, 2019 (UTC)
I'll try to look into it as soon as I can. I don't think we really have control over any of this since it's relying entirely on the wikia platform (or whatever they're calling it these days). My first suggestion would be to copy the page changes to your machine before saving to ensure you don't lose your changes. I'll see if I can find out more sometime this weekend. Radagast83 (talk) 05:12, May 11, 2019 (UTC)
I think the error is an interaction between the Classical Editor (in either mode) and templates. If there's a template on the page, the Classical Editor automatically deletes everything after the template, even if it shows no deletion in the visual editor. If there are two templates in a row it'll show both of them, but nothing after them. If the template is a quote box, the error doesn't seem to happen. I didn't encounter the error when using the new editor on Faranian. For most pages, disabling the Classical Editor could work even if there aren't any other options (beyond a bug report to, but I've encountered at least one page here that can only be edited in the Source Editor due to something technical I didn't understand. 23:12, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

CSS change[]

I understand you're the only active admin here. Would you take a look at this? Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 20:35, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

We should be all set with this one now. Thank you for bringing this to my attention! Radagast83 (talk) 03:16, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, looks good. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 02:27, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

Style Guide tenses[]

Hi Radagast,

I have a question about how to format pages here. I've seen that some pages describe events in the past tense, and say character [X] was [abc]. Other pages describe events in the present tense, particularly episode and movie pages. My question is, which is preferred? Is the in-universe POV from the time period of the event in question, or the POV of hypothetical people 1 million years from now? Small Earth Cat (talk) 21:22, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

That's a good question, I think we should be sticking with past tense, as I think most of the articles are written that way for characters and events in-universe. I always imagined it was meant to be as if this was looking at events from 1 million years from now. I don't know about "real world" articles though and what might be the most appropriate. Radagast83 (talk) 04:45, June 30, 2019 (UTC)

Please help resolve dispute[]

Will you please help resolve a dispute with B5historyman? The dispute is about something minor but he's being very aggressive. He is completely unwilling to discuss how to resolve the contradiction, he just repeats himself over and over and over while utterly dismissing anyone who has a different perspective. I do not want to be part of an edit war (my edits were already undone without any discussion at all) but I also do not want to be driven from the wiki because I'm not a member of some super-elite club of 10 wealthy people who own a copy of every out of print book in existence. (I will point out that if I'm forced to leave, you'll be back to zero truly active editors). This wiki should be a fun and relaxed community, not the personal website of just one editor. Small Earth Cat (talk) 23:28, June 26, 2019 (UTC)

I'll add that this is not the first time B5Historyman has aggressively tried to intimidate/browbeat me. Small Earth Cat (talk) 23:34, June 26, 2019 (UTC)

Page changes[]

Radagast, a quick question has there been a change to the pages? I cannot note comments on changes? Some of the additions I’ve made don’t bring up the dialogue boxB5historyman (talk) 09:04, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

I don't think there's been any changes, at least not by me. I wonder if this is a change? It's late here so I might just not be following what you're asking about. I see the small text field that allows you to enter in comments when editing this page for instance. I'm willing to look into this further if you can provide a few more details! Radagast83 (talk) 04:42, June 30, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Manager[]

Hello! My name is Kylara, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager for The Babylon Project. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have any questions or issues relating to the wiki, editing, or anything of the sort, please contact me on my message wall or on Discord! — KylaraE (talk) 05:22, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to reach out again and see how things are going and if there's anything I might be able to help with. Also, would you be interested in enabling Message Walls? They make communication between editors a lot easier! — KylaraE (talk) 04:19, December 15, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Kylara, the last two months have been incredibly busy. I've had computer issues for some of it, and I'm now just getting back up and running. I'll think about what questions I might have and reach out if I have any questions. Thanks! Radagast83 (talk) 06:30, December 23, 2019 (UTC)


Hi again! Hope things are going well. Checking in to see how you're doing here, and I want to make sure that you catch these important Fandom updates.

The Unified Community Platform (UCP) is coming this year, which means that Fandom Wikis like this one will be getting some much-needed renovations (and new features!) as we move to an upgraded version of MediaWiki. Check out the Staff blog post UCP: The Vision, Purpose, and Process for information on the roll out plan, which will come out this year in stages.

The first stage will be starting very soon, with new wikis being created on the UCP. To stay up to date with these changes, you can keep an eye on the staff blogs on Community Central.

If you have any questions, feel free to comment on those blog posts or let me know!

KylaraE (talk) 03:41, March 9, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the update on this, we're ready to take whatever actions we need going forward. Radagast83 (talk) 06:06, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

Please help. The new UCP editor is not useable on a laptop with a wide screen. The horizontal bars on top and bottom of the screen take up so much vertical space that only a thin sliver in the center (about 1/3 of my total screen) is the edit window. I cannot edit on this wiki anymore. How do we submit bugs? ~ Small Earth Cat (talk) 04:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I hate the changes!!! I cannot edit my personal page on this wiki, Stargate wiki, and the Legendary Journeys wiki like I used to, and I hope these changes don't affect the other wikis I frequent because then one of my second favorite things that I use the internet for would be absolutely ruined. I can't edit on my phone like I use to because every time I try the toolbar gets in the way of the what I want to edit on my personal page. Then when I try to edit on my laptop, it takes forever in a day to load, it gets three quarters of the way there and just stops, ALL the time! I honestly don't know who to contact about this but if I did I would be telling them this!!! ,~Eclectica737. (talk) 14 October 2020

New Wiki Representative[]

Hi there, I'm the new Wiki Representative for the Babylon 5 Wiki, taking over from User:KylaraE. I hope everything is running smoothly, but feel free to ask me questions if you have any. My areas of expertise are listed on my profile. You can reach me by leaving a message on my talk page, on Discord at Moviesign#6611, or by email at Moviesign at

PS: Please see the new blog post about the reorg.

Moviesign (talk) 02:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

References - highlighted text color[]

Hi - I formatting issue I've noticed:

When a footnote/reference link is clicked, the reference is highlighted in white.

If there's any white text in the reference, it's unreadable - for example:

I found the below workaround at

Add this to your wiki's CSS and replace "<color>" with whatever color you want.

ol.references li:target,
sup.reference:target {
    background-color: <color>;

Maybe a light gray (#AAAAAA) would be better?

Thanks, Gs4291 (talk) 13:29, 24 October 2021 (UTC)